OOC: Claiming hit and the actions that follow. ""Gōsutosutoraiku!" Kobachi would shout as he appeared in front of his target executing a dash that was meant to cover a 5m gap." With 5 feet in between Kobachi and Spadez, then him moving only 10 feet away that makes a 15 foot gap. 5m translates to roughly 16ish feet meaning the attack will connect. Then also you can't use techniques in threads you obtained after the thread started, in regards to the use of the sensory technique. Sidenote: and I don't think 5ft is enough room to react to a Taijutsu Master coming at you full speed, seems a little exaggerated, but that's just for future reference and a side note
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27 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:01 am
Spadez
Konoha Anbu
(OOC: Your jutsu is meant to cover 5m doesn't mean it did and you would of needed to stop at 5 feet to hit me in the first place since that was my originally distance before the flicker. If you continued the dash and didn't stop at 5ft then yes you would of landed the attack but you didn't. You didnt state that you would of continued the 5m dash if you missed so therefore i was out of reach and your attack claim is voided. Next, could i get a link to that rule because it seems i missed it?. So your saying i couldn't react to a Taijutsu Master coming at me? Your the one that seems to be exaggerating. I am a Ninjutsu Adapt, it isnt hard to raise your hand and pull 1 lousy ram sign before impact. If i was a basic then yes but no. It is hard to react in time yes but it isn't impossible.)
28 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:12 pm
Kid Koopa
Kumo Genin
OOC: "Gōsutosutoraiku!" Kobachi would shout as he appeared in front of his target executing a dash that was meant to cover a 5m gap." I never state to stop at 5ft in my post, rather I say Kobachi would appear in front of Spadez and with Spadez still in range that means it is still possible for Kobachi to strike him. You then go on to say Kobachi would need to stop at 5ft to hit Spadez, but again Kobachi didn't target 5ft or that general space he would move to appear in front of him. Kobachi would have stopped at 5ft, but just like how Spadez reacted to Kobachi's movement, Kobachi reacted to Spadez's and continued.
Then for that rule, it's a pretty common rule and it's obeying liquid time. If you start a thread, things or jutsu acquired from other things aren't known in that thread. Lets say I completed the 8 gates training in the land of sound in my other thread, I wouldn't be able to use them in this one, because it was already started. But I can't seem to find it, so I guess I'll bring it up to another staff member to make it after this thread subsides.
Then about this exaggeration bit. Just like you got on me, I will get on you about details. "His stance already lowered, in a flash he would move at full force much like he promised, as the older male made his comment about him jumping for joy." I state to move in a flash, which of course I can't move at the speed of light, but that is considerably fast. Then considering there is only 5 feet in between me and you, yeah bringing your hands to the handseal is easy, but you have to have the reaction time for it. And five feet of space and with someone moving at a Taijutsu master speed won't provide you with ample reaction time in my opinion. But in case that isn't good enough for you. "Their speed compared to that of others who do not have any skill in this area is quite amazingly fast, they are a complete blur for other, still somewhat visible, yet hard to actually do anything about without a Mastery in some other Combat Spec." That's a bit from the Taijutsu Master description from the Combat Skill System page. The bold part is showing that without Mastery in a certain combat spec you will have a hard time doing anything. Then lets be reminded you only have 5 feet worth of space and you don't have mastery in weaponry which is the spec that gives you perception or accuracy, what you need to properly react to the strike.
Then to add to that the typical human wingspan or reach is half the size of their body, so with Kobachi being about 5`7 I think that's 67 inches. So his reach would be roughly 33 inches(2`9). So actually I only have to travel 27 inches to hit you. Then there's more. This is a bit from Ninjutsu Masters "They can easily do a ton of seals before a Basic or less can punch them, a couple of them before an Adept could punch them and maybe one or two before a Master could punch them. Their hand seal speed equals the speed of Taijutsu Masters. This is Ninjutsu Adept. " same as the level of speed at which Taijutsu Adepts move, they can complete series of seals before a Basic can punch them and a seal or two before an adept punches them." Be reminded Kobachi is a Taijutsu master, meaning by the description in the systems, Kobachi could jab you at the least 2 times, with that said, I'm preeeeeetty sure Kobachi can close in that small 27 inches and hit you before you could react properly to make the handseal. The amount of space is just too close even though the handseal is that simple. And this is only relevant if you are still wishy washy about the first bit about Kobachi's movement being continued even though you moved back.
If you don't agree and think most of this is bs, get a mod to evaluate, por favor.
Then for that rule, it's a pretty common rule and it's obeying liquid time. If you start a thread, things or jutsu acquired from other things aren't known in that thread. Lets say I completed the 8 gates training in the land of sound in my other thread, I wouldn't be able to use them in this one, because it was already started. But I can't seem to find it, so I guess I'll bring it up to another staff member to make it after this thread subsides.
Then about this exaggeration bit. Just like you got on me, I will get on you about details. "His stance already lowered, in a flash he would move at full force much like he promised, as the older male made his comment about him jumping for joy." I state to move in a flash, which of course I can't move at the speed of light, but that is considerably fast. Then considering there is only 5 feet in between me and you, yeah bringing your hands to the handseal is easy, but you have to have the reaction time for it. And five feet of space and with someone moving at a Taijutsu master speed won't provide you with ample reaction time in my opinion. But in case that isn't good enough for you. "Their speed compared to that of others who do not have any skill in this area is quite amazingly fast, they are a complete blur for other, still somewhat visible, yet hard to actually do anything about without a Mastery in some other Combat Spec." That's a bit from the Taijutsu Master description from the Combat Skill System page. The bold part is showing that without Mastery in a certain combat spec you will have a hard time doing anything. Then lets be reminded you only have 5 feet worth of space and you don't have mastery in weaponry which is the spec that gives you perception or accuracy, what you need to properly react to the strike.
Then to add to that the typical human wingspan or reach is half the size of their body, so with Kobachi being about 5`7 I think that's 67 inches. So his reach would be roughly 33 inches(2`9). So actually I only have to travel 27 inches to hit you. Then there's more. This is a bit from Ninjutsu Masters "They can easily do a ton of seals before a Basic or less can punch them, a couple of them before an Adept could punch them and maybe one or two before a Master could punch them. Their hand seal speed equals the speed of Taijutsu Masters. This is Ninjutsu Adept. " same as the level of speed at which Taijutsu Adepts move, they can complete series of seals before a Basic can punch them and a seal or two before an adept punches them." Be reminded Kobachi is a Taijutsu master, meaning by the description in the systems, Kobachi could jab you at the least 2 times, with that said, I'm preeeeeetty sure Kobachi can close in that small 27 inches and hit you before you could react properly to make the handseal. The amount of space is just too close even though the handseal is that simple. And this is only relevant if you are still wishy washy about the first bit about Kobachi's movement being continued even though you moved back.
If you don't agree and think most of this is bs, get a mod to evaluate, por favor.
29 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:43 pm
Spadez
Konoha Anbu
Poncho wrote:OOC: "Gōsutosutoraiku!" Kobachi would shout as he appeared in front of his target executing a dash that was meant to cover a 5m gap." I never state to stop at 5ft in my post, rather I say Kobachi would appear in front of Spadez and with Spadez still in range that means it is still possible for Kobachi to strike him. You then go on to say Kobachi would need to stop at 5ft to hit Spadez, but again Kobachi didn't target 5ft or that general space he would move to appear in front of him. Kobachi would have stopped at 5ft, but just like how Spadez reacted to Kobachi's movement, Kobachi reacted to Spadez's and continued.
You never state the you would continue the dash either having lack of detail. You just say OOC that you continued the dash after my flicker wtf? it wasn't in your post that you would so im allowed to say that you stopped at my old location.
Poncho wrote:Then for that rule, it's a pretty common rule and it's obeying liquid time. If you start a thread, things or jutsu acquired from other things aren't known in that thread. Lets say I completed the 8 gates training in the land of sound in my other thread, I wouldn't be able to use them in this one, because it was already started. But I can't seem to find it, so I guess I'll bring it up to another staff member to make it after this thread subsides.
Exactly, it isn't in the rules YET so my sensory technique is relevant in this topic until the rule has been made.
Poncho wrote:Then about this exaggeration bit. Just like you got on me, I will get on you about details. "His stance already lowered, in a flash he would move at full force much like he promised, as the older male made his comment about him jumping for joy." I state to move in a flash, which of course I can't move at the speed of light, but that is considerably fast. Then considering there is only 5 feet in between me and you, yeah bringing your hands to the handseal is easy, but you have to have the reaction time for it. And five feet of space and with someone moving at a Taijutsu master speed won't provide you with ample reaction time in my opinion. But in case that isn't good enough for you. "Their speed compared to that of others who do not have any skill in this area is quite amazingly fast, they are a complete blur for other, still somewhat visible, yet hard to actually do anything about without a Mastery in some other Combat Spec." That's a bit from the Taijutsu Master description from the Combat Skill System page. The bold part is showing that without Mastery in a certain combat spec you will have a hard time doing anything. Then lets be reminded you only have 5 feet worth of space and you don't have mastery in weaponry which is the spec that gives you perception or accuracy, what you need to properly react to the strike.
Yes and i stated in my previous post that you are fast and even you said the answer to that. The bold part is showing that without Mastery in a certain combat spec you will have a hard time doing anything. I will have a Hard time doing anything, it doesnt mean its impossible. As for the hand seal all it takes is for me to move my hand up thats all, less then a second. Your saying you can travel 5 feet in less then a second? thats complete bullshit to begin with.
Poncho wrote:Then to add to that the typical human wingspan or reach is half the size of their body, so with Kobachi being about 5`7 I think that's 67 inches. So his reach would be roughly 33 inches(2`9). So actually I only have to travel 27 inches to hit you. Then there's more. This is a bit from Ninjutsu Masters "They can easily do a ton of seals before a Basic or less can punch them, a couple of them before an Adept could punch them and maybe one or two before a Master could punch them. Their hand seal speed equals the speed of Taijutsu Masters. This is Ninjutsu Adept. " same as the level of speed at which Taijutsu Adepts move, they can complete series of seals before a Basic can punch them and a seal or two before an adept punches them." Be reminded Kobachi is a Taijutsu master, meaning by the description in the systems, Kobachi could jab you at the least 2 times, with that said, I'm preeeeeetty sure Kobachi can close in that small 27 inches and hit you before you could react properly to make the handseal. The amount of space is just too close even though the handseal is that simple. And this is only relevant if you are still wishy washy about the first bit about Kobachi's movement being continued even though you moved back.
"Okay so you want to go technical with things. For one there was no reason to bring up wingspans since you didn't dash with your hands spread or nothing so you bringing up that was irrelevant. Next bringing up specs is irrelevant also because i wasn't doing a string of handseals. I was making a single handseal. 'They can complete series of seals before a Basic can punch them and [b]a seal or two before an adept' a seal OR TWO. So if i was to go off the two part then i would be able to complete a seal before a master could hit me. All im doing is lifting my hand up compared to you traveling 5 steps and also throwing a punch, if you saying i cant even lift a hand before you travel 5 steps then that is complete bullshit.
30 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:37 pm
Kid Koopa
Kumo Genin
OOC: show me where it says I would stop my dash after 5ft. If you cannot find that, then from my "lack of detail" kobachi will appear in front of you like it says in the post. Just like you respond to my movement, I respond to yours, an like the post says kobachi would appear in front of hi target and the target is still in range.
Then yes it says it will be hard without mastery in a certain spec. I'm not sure if you are getting kobachi is moving in a blur, jut like your handseals. Given 5ft how would you see a blur begin its movement and react in time. You weren't shocked, amazed, nothing you just act as if the movement was completely normal and like I didn't nearly vanish out of sight. And to ba to it it the movement was as you were talking. not even startled the slightest bit. To react fast enough you would have to key on to the smallest amount of movement right when kobachi would first move and with the mode of travel being a dash I didn't take five steps an I don't know who takes five steps to walk 5 ft or where you got that. Then to give comparison the fastest man alive can run 100m in nearly 10seconds. That iRL no chakra and stuff and is almost 1m per second. To say I can't clear 5ft in 1 second seems unlikely. Maybe a little crazy but unlikely.
Then for wingspan I state to extend a mountain crushing straight. Meaning yes I extend a punch why soul I appear right on top of someone to punch them? No reel back for the strike or anything. So wingspan is relevant here and shows the amount of space I need to travel indeed is not 5ft. Then back to the 1m per second. 1m is 3 feet and some change and with kobachi's reach he doesn't have to travel even 3feet or 1m. I'm pretty sure a typically fit person can cover that amount of space in a second and if kobachi can't then tai jutsu masters are no faster than the faster man alive in real life. And you might have misunderstood wingspan, because its very much relevant seeing as it is used to determine a fighters reach.
I think you misread something here because what you are saying makes zero sense. " 'They can complete series of seals before a Basic can punch them and [b]a seal or two before an adept' a seal OR TWO. So if i was to go off the two part then i would be able to complete a seal before a master could hit me." A seal or two before an adept hits you, no master adept. A ninjutsu master can maybe get a seal or two out before a tai jutsu master hits them. Your update sheet states you're a ninjutsu adept not master so the chances o you getting a seal or two off isn't maybe, it's nonexistent.
Then yes it says it will be hard without mastery in a certain spec. I'm not sure if you are getting kobachi is moving in a blur, jut like your handseals. Given 5ft how would you see a blur begin its movement and react in time. You weren't shocked, amazed, nothing you just act as if the movement was completely normal and like I didn't nearly vanish out of sight. And to ba to it it the movement was as you were talking. not even startled the slightest bit. To react fast enough you would have to key on to the smallest amount of movement right when kobachi would first move and with the mode of travel being a dash I didn't take five steps an I don't know who takes five steps to walk 5 ft or where you got that. Then to give comparison the fastest man alive can run 100m in nearly 10seconds. That iRL no chakra and stuff and is almost 1m per second. To say I can't clear 5ft in 1 second seems unlikely. Maybe a little crazy but unlikely.
Then for wingspan I state to extend a mountain crushing straight. Meaning yes I extend a punch why soul I appear right on top of someone to punch them? No reel back for the strike or anything. So wingspan is relevant here and shows the amount of space I need to travel indeed is not 5ft. Then back to the 1m per second. 1m is 3 feet and some change and with kobachi's reach he doesn't have to travel even 3feet or 1m. I'm pretty sure a typically fit person can cover that amount of space in a second and if kobachi can't then tai jutsu masters are no faster than the faster man alive in real life. And you might have misunderstood wingspan, because its very much relevant seeing as it is used to determine a fighters reach.
I think you misread something here because what you are saying makes zero sense. " 'They can complete series of seals before a Basic can punch them and [b]a seal or two before an adept' a seal OR TWO. So if i was to go off the two part then i would be able to complete a seal before a master could hit me." A seal or two before an adept hits you, no master adept. A ninjutsu master can maybe get a seal or two out before a tai jutsu master hits them. Your update sheet states you're a ninjutsu adept not master so the chances o you getting a seal or two off isn't maybe, it's nonexistent.
31 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:25 am
Spadez
Konoha Anbu
Poncho wrote:OOC: show me where it says I would stop my dash after 5ft. If you cannot find that, then from my "lack of detail" kobachi will appear in front of you like it says in the post. Just like you respond to my movement, I respond to yours, an like the post says kobachi would appear in front of hi target and the target is still in range.
You would of had to stop your dash at 5feet to hit me because thats where i previously was. You said you would appear in front of me and at the time i was at 5 feet then i flicker out. You cant say that your character would of followed up his dash to the max range OOC just because i flickered out? wtf. It wasn't in your post that you would of followed up the dash if you missed or nothing, all it says is that you would appear in front of me and AT THE TIME I WAS A 5 FEET SO YOU WOULD OF APPEARED AT 5 FEET.
Poncho wrote:Then yes it says it will be hard without mastery in a certain spec. I'm not sure if you are getting kobachi is moving in a blur, jut like your handseals. Given 5ft how would you see a blur begin its movement and react in time. You weren't shocked, amazed, nothing you just act as if the movement was completely normal and like I didn't nearly vanish out of sight. And to ba to it it the movement was as you were talking. not even startled the slightest bit. To react fast enough you would have to key on to the smallest amount of movement right when kobachi would first move and with the mode of travel being a dash I didn't take five steps an I don't know who takes five steps to walk 5 ft or where you got that. Then to give comparison the fastest man alive can run 100m in nearly 10seconds. That iRL no chakra and stuff and is almost 1m per second. To say I can't clear 5ft in 1 second seems unlikely. Maybe a little crazy but unlikely.
Yes that is the case but i aint doing a string of handseals. All im doing is lifting my hand up where on the other hand you are dashing and cocking back a punch and for the fact that your cocking it back adds more time for me to raise my hand. As for my reactions, you expect me to be super shocked? You are forgetting that my character is a Jonin and would of seen fast shinobi like you growing up so why would i be shocked? i did acknowledge you speed however. As for my reaction, my Sensory technique would of sensed your movements and allowed me to take notice of it and also i stated that i watched you as you started your movements so yes i did know when you moved. You have to do a dash, cock back a punch and throw it where as i have to lift my hand up? your saying you could do all that before i can even lift my hand? A genin could do all that before a Jonin could even lift his hand? Bullshit.
32 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:04 am
Kid Koopa
Kumo Genin
Lol calm down with the cursing and stuff you are starting to act like a child about this. Maybe you just don't understand, but anyhow I asked Anubis to evaluate the thread and the ruling was in my favor seeing as a ninjutsu master can maybe get a seal or two out before one tai jutsu master punch, A SEAL OR TWO MAYBE THEN YOU CANNOT GET ONE OR TWO OUT AS WELL BECAUSE OU ARE ADEPT UNDERSTAAAAAAND :p it's not a hard concept, but anyhow ask Anubis for the ruling if you don't believe me, you got hit and my actions go as stated in the post
33 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:58 am
Spadez
Konoha Anbu
OOC: And where is this ruling? In the chatbox? evidence? chatlog? explanation from anubis? Very professional making a ruling in the Chat Box with only 1 patient attending and also not gaining both sides of the story. That isn't ruling it is being bias and favoritism.
34 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:32 pm
Suna no Kai
D-rank missing ninja
I am not playing favorites nor am I bias. And I did get both sides, I read the damn thread in order to make the ruling. Even if I did not, Poncho was rarely on the chatbox long enough to explain his side of things, thus your favoritism and bias comment are invalid. And to prevent anymore bs despite the fact I already ruled on this, I, or another moderator (which ever comes first) shall be stopping this thread and doing a thoroughly examination. So until then....
Thread is currently under review, no one is allowed to post except Kamina, Raphael, and I, who ever gets the review done first.
Thread is currently under review, no one is allowed to post except Kamina, Raphael, and I, who ever gets the review done first.
35 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:54 am
Kamina
Akatsuki
While this is still in review... perhaps you both should consider not posting after the first mistake until things are cleared up instead of continuing for another couple posts and constantly challenging each others posts...
36 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:44 am
Kamina
Akatsuki
Ok so far as of my understanding so far (hard to follow with the all ooc nonsense and edited posts so correct me if im wrong at any point) Is when Ponch did he is dash that goes up to 16 feet you were currently 5 feet away at which point you body flickered away 10 feet I didnt see a direction specified here so im assuming you would go straight back but you could also be going in any direction. Next confusing part, you throw a smokebomb down and then dont move? As far as i can tell in the post you sit in your smoke which would be 15 feet away which is the at the ass end of ponchos range and making you out of his line of site. If he were to go into the smoke on his straight path he would technically hit you merely because his body his already in motion as you made your flicker, threw a smokebomb and then proceeded to try and make a string of seals. Even if he were to miss, Im not sure how you aimed your capture field jutsu at the places you missed and then at poncho while your vision is severely hindered because of the smoke. Of course after reading the oocs and seeing that the posts have been edited im not entirely sure what was originally posted in that post and the previous ones.
Thats as far as i got so far so feel free to chime in here or pm me with any details i may of missed and we will continue to review this topic to our best abilities.
Thats as far as i got so far so feel free to chime in here or pm me with any details i may of missed and we will continue to review this topic to our best abilities.
37 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:17 am
Kamina
Akatsuki
~update~
Ive heard poncho's story now all I need is for Spadez to pm me his side of the story and we will continue.
Ive heard poncho's story now all I need is for Spadez to pm me his side of the story and we will continue.
38 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:15 pm
Kid Koopa
Kumo Genin
Lol yes no killing means no one can die, and the thread is on hold, so your post has been deleted. Adios.
39 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Thu May 01, 2014 2:09 am
Kamina
Akatsuki
Alright after reviewing the topic for the last 24 hours the ruling is that Ponchos strike will indeed make contact before you can flicker away. The difference in your physical and his is quite vast and you simply wouldn't have enough time to realize what was happening and then act on whatever your reaction would be. So the next step will be taking the hit from the taijutsu and as mentioned before it is a no killing thread, and V or his guard or whatever is still here to keep the peace as well.
40 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Fri May 02, 2014 6:18 am
Kid Koopa
Kumo Genin
If the man could register where he was in his dazed and stunned state, he would find himself a decent height in the air and would also be at the mercy of Kobachi. The Genin was aware of this, but would be careful not to abuse it with the man deemed the Hokage still present on the statue a ways away. His leg used to previously launch the Jounin into the air would touch down on the solid ground and would come to a crouch as would the other. From this position he would execute a strong leap in the air positioning himself above his target who would now be coasting in the air about to descend. His back would be facing the ground and his body would be parallel with the surface. With his body and mind in a vulnerable state Kobachi would reel back fully as to make this last strike his strongest. Jamming his fist forward into the mans stomach, he would be shot towards the earths surface to make a painful crash landing that would leave bones moderately damaged if not broken.
Kobachi would monitor the blow and watch as the man's body sent rubble and dust to and fro from the powerful blow. Gravity of course brought the young ninja down into the dust cloud, but he would be sure not to land on the ninja's body and would land beside him and bend his knees upon landing to soften the fall. His back turned to the ninja, Kobachi hoped he was conscious to hear his words. "I am Kobachi Monzaemon, I will not be pissing on or off anyone. Do not under imitate my abilities, because I am a Genin." Looking for the other ninja in hopes he wasn't aggravated or preparing to attack him or even in the act of attacking, Kobachi would then react accordingly.
Kobachi would monitor the blow and watch as the man's body sent rubble and dust to and fro from the powerful blow. Gravity of course brought the young ninja down into the dust cloud, but he would be sure not to land on the ninja's body and would land beside him and bend his knees upon landing to soften the fall. His back turned to the ninja, Kobachi hoped he was conscious to hear his words. "I am Kobachi Monzaemon, I will not be pissing on or off anyone. Do not under imitate my abilities, because I am a Genin." Looking for the other ninja in hopes he wasn't aggravated or preparing to attack him or even in the act of attacking, Kobachi would then react accordingly.
41 Re: Peace, Air and Free | Open | No Killing Sun May 04, 2014 6:11 am
Kid Koopa
Kumo Genin
Figuring it would be best to leave now, regardless if the ninja had hit the ground or not, the Genin would make his exit feeling he had spent enough time at this scene. Before leaving he would speak loud enough for the Hokage to be sure to hear him and so the Genin wouldn't be seen as disrespectful. "Hokage, I apology for what happened. I hope you can know why I did that. I hope the more of your day is good and that this man becomes stronger and also gets better." Forming the ram seal, the Genin would make his leave having said what he felt was needed. off into the forest he would arrive a considerable distance away from where he just was a moment ago.
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