The Crash Site (IOOC Event Topic B)

Maintaining his cross legged position, Urek quirked an eyebrow behind his mask.  What did this mean?  Hozunda was the Ninth Tsuchikage and it was quite unlike him to just disappear without any explanation.  Hozunda was Urek's best friend, one of the few people in the world that he truly trusted.  And now this person who Urek couldn't recall having ever heard of was the Tsuchikage?  Urek was quite familiar with all of the current ANBU members in the village, their real names and aliases.  This Yoroyuza man was not ANBU.  Of all the times for Urek to have been out of the village, apparently this might have been the worst.  Had the council appointed some random Jounin as the temporary Kage?  How long would they wait before appointing a new Tsuchikage for good?  All of these questions and thoughts flickered through his mind as Urek remained seated.  "Go back to the village," he said to the genin behind him.  Then he flicked his microphone back on to speak over the radio, only a few seconds having passed since the other man had requested a location.

"I'm on a small hill, just outside the city, observing.  We should meet closer in the village though."  He gave the location of a church-like building that was on the outskirts of town, but should be fairly easy to locate for the ninja.  Plus, it didn't have any fighting or apparent people near it for the time being.  "As for what I can report, I've seen someone who appears to be the Raikage, but apart from that I cannot identify any other shinobi.  I'd like to respectfully request to be given command of this mission.  I have many questions for you, but they will have to wait until this task is completed."  Standing up, and keeping his senses open, he began running towards the church.  His speed was impressive, and made him a target for only a few moments between cover, on the small chance anyone was even bothering to watch him.  He waited to get any further conversation over the radio from the current Kage, his mind racing as he tried to figure out what had happened.  As he finished his report though, he heard the new Kage begin speaking to the aforementioned Raikage, and decided to avoid distracting him.

Finally he reached the church, and after a very short assessment of the area, he was confident that it was clear.  Considering his options now, he stayed in a dark corner, his senses wide open and on alert.  It was about time to figure out what was going on.  He drew his chakra into his eyes, their blue color hidden by the mask, as was the rest of his face, and he activated his Byakugan.  Reaching out with his vision, he saw a small boy hiding within a building, a monkey on his shoulder.  The boy's attire suggested he was a ninja, from Kumo.  That certainly made him a target. But it was obvious to someone with Urek's experience that this shinobi was low ranking, almost certainly a Genin.  On the edge of his vision, Urek could see the Raikage and Tsuchikage matching up.  While he did want to watch the fight happening there, he needed to focus.  A Genin wasn't particularly dangerous for a ninja of his rank, but there was the potential that if he was ignored he would be a problem later.

Moving silently through the streets, his Byakugan allowing him to avoid all other human contact, until he came up behind the building that the Genin was in.  Leaping up onto the roof, landing very quietly, he paused, considering.  It was incredibly unlikely he had been heard.  Now was the perfect time to strike.  But honestly, Urek had no desire to kill this young ninja.  It was unlikely to be a fair fight.  Perhaps Urek could talk this younger ninja out of the fight, and get him to leave.  With this in mind, Urek kept a small part of his attention tied to the fight between the two Kage, wanting to assess this unknown factor.  Then stepped over to a large hole on the roof, and he spoke, assuming the younger ninja hadn't noticed him.  "Hello young one."  His stance was clearly not an aggressive one, though he was ready for combat if the other ninja should attack without warning.  There was a good twenty yards between the two, and so as he spoke, Urek sat down in a cross legged position, his hands resting peacefully on his knees, his masked visage visible from where the other ninja was.

"I take it you're not here for the sights.  My name is Sin."  He lied about his name, because it was unimportant.  Then he waited, ready in case of an attack, but not yet making the first move.

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How curious. Urek had assumed that the younger ninja would have leapt into action. Most Genin were known to be somewhat rash on their actions, if only because of inexperience. It was probably for the best though. Regardless though, as was his personality, Urek remained cautious. "Hello there Monzaemon. I only have one thing to ask of you. Your word as a ninja that you will stay out of the way. My village wishes to lay claim to the meteorite near this village here, and I'm trying to guarantee that we don't accidentally start any wars while we're at it. We have more people on the way to give aid to the village itself, once our Shinobi forces have handled the bandits and such. But I'd hate for you and I to end up on the wrong side of each other." His words were spoken calmly, his mask hiding any facial expression. He was still observing the fight between his Kage and the Raikage, though he couldn't put total focus on it until he was confident that the young man here wasn't a threat.

Quirking an eyebrow beneath his mask, the ANBU Captain listened to the response. Nakshatra? He wasn't familiar with that name, but he assumed it had to do with some religion. Giving a mental sigh, he ran through his options. Fighting the boy still didn't appeal to him. It would be far from a fair fight. For now, attempting to continue to reason with him was Urek's choice, if only because of how small the impact he expected this ninja to make would be.

"If you only wish to observe it, you are welcome to do that. As for taking it away..." He ran Monzaemon's words through his head. "Wrath is not meant to be a permanent fixture. The land has been marked, by the entry of the fallen star and by the bandits and scum who attacked this city. Those marks and memories won't pass quickly. The rock itself is valuable to my village. I have no desire to fight you, as it seems like it would be wasted energy on both our parts. But the meteorite itself will be going with me and my people." Standing up now, his full form would be plainly visible. The Genin would be unable to see his ANBU Captain armor that he was wearing under his baggy clothes, though he might be able to see the gauntlets. Though, because of the night and their matte black color, it was a slim chance he'd be able to make out any detail, likely assuming that they were just fingerless gloves. Urek then let some of his chakra slip, so that the Genin could feel the pressure from his fighting spirit. "If you insist on fighting me, I will not hold back. I am a highly trained member of the ANBU from my village. I am sure that you are a skilled fighter yourself, but it should be quickly apparent to you at the difference in our skill levels."

Still standing, but not taking an aggressive stance, Urek watched, his focus having shifted from the fight of the Kages to the area around him, in case the boy made a move.

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Urek gave an internal sigh. Oh well. The boy was respectful, if stupid, and with an odd sense of honor Urek decided he would show the boy exactly what made the ANBU Captain such a terrifying foe. He didn't need to use any handseals for it, letting his chakra flow into his armor, his entire body being wrapped in dark shadows, his movements totally silenced now by the incredible armament. He could see everything with his Byakugan, the location of the monkey, the boy waiting, obviously preparing for Urek's approach. A single handseal was used then used by the Shinobi from Iwagakure, and his entire body disappeared from view. Stepping over to the edge of the building now, he leapt down from the ground behind the Genin. It would be impossible for him to see or hear Urek, and unless the boy had some sensory jutsu allowing him the ability to detect Urek's chakra even through his unique armor, the fight was over before it began. It had taken less than three seconds from when the boy had taken his stance in the street for Urek to take his position.

Standing a meter behind the Genin, still cloaked from vision and unable to make any noises, Urek took his stance and made his move, using a technique handed down from his surrogate father years ago. Channeling his chakra into his hands, Urek moved with incredible speed. He really only needed to connect two or three times, and given his element of surprise, it was almost impossible for the boy to have a chance to react before the attack took effect. Due to the effects of the jutsu, once it began, it would become next to impossible for the boy to fight back. The Chakra Transfer Technique would destroy his ability to control his body, as his nervous system was flipped and thrown, and as that began, it would become impossible for the boy to defend from more blows, Urek's Gentle Fist strikes decimating his chakra pool. Unless the boy somehow managed to do the impossible and counter the attack, Urek would not stop attacking until the Genin's chakra pool was as good as empty, leaving him a twitching heap on the ground.

Between the invisibility, the silenced movements, and the swiftness that Urek made his actions, and the element of surprise that those gave Urek, tied with how the Chakra Transfer Technique only needed to connect two or three times before taking effect, it seemed nigh impossible for the young ninja to respond, even with his Taijutsu Mastery. If he did somehow though, Urek would place some distance between the two of them and prepare to retaliate from any attacks that might come his way.

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Poncho, I'm going to pause it there.  I'm sure it was unintentional, but I feel very strongly that what your post did there was metagame.  I say unintentional because, as you said to me before, you're not a scientist.  Your knowledge in a number of these areas seems to be a little less broad than mine.  Which is fine, different hobbies and interests are acceptable.  But let me take a moment and speak up in the topic where my experience and knowledge take hold.

My second biggest issue with your post is that it was approximately five seconds (Honestly, probably closer to four, but whatever) between your character taking his stance, and when my attack should have landed.  Your opening line is this.

As the Genin stood still, motionless, waiting for his opponent he wondered what was up, but soon felt he had found out.

Ok, sure.  Why would you start wondering what is up within three seconds?  I'm sorry, is Kobachi under the impression that the fight would start instantly?  Why is he suddenly so worried about what is happening?

My biggest issue (And this is where the scientific knowledge comes into play) is the part of you "sensing" that I was behind you.  The idea that you can tell when someone is watching you, or is behind you, is a myth.  A number of valid studies have been done on it.  (Here's a great link on it if you're interested.)  Most of the time, people feeling like they're being watched is because they notice the observer by other means.  Whether it is through a mirror, or see them out of the corner of their eye.  They might not consciously note it, but as the subconscious signs stack up, they eventually take full notice.
That obviously isn't the case here.

Your ninja is a D rank Genin.  D rank is the "Fresh out of the academy" rank Genin.  Your character is fourteen years old.  My character is twice his age, with considerably more ninja experience.  I'm pretty sure that he's past the point of being detected, while invisible and unable to make detectable noises, by "a sixth sense present in all humans" that is not quantifiable.  I'd possibly be willing to accept such anticipation from an A rank ANBU.  But a D rank Genin, who has no sensory skills, no enhanced senses, and apparently thinks that three seconds is too long for someone to come down from a roof to fight them?


Sure, someone might think I'm being sore.  I'm honestly not.  I've got two posts in mind as a response, but I feel that using them is entirely unnecessary, since I'm confident that you can understand entirely where my issues lie.  So, I'd like to ask that you either take the hits, or find a much more plausible explanation for how you managed to avoid the attack.

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Urek Zahard wrote:Poncho, I'm going to pause it there.  I'm sure it was unintentional, but I feel very strongly that what your post did there was metagame.  I say unintentional because, as you said to me before, you're not a scientist.  Your knowledge in a number of these areas seems to be a little less broad than mine. Unintentional or not, don't talk down to me like I'm less intelligent. I don't care if you are smarter, no one likes being talked down to. Which is fine, different hobbies and interests are acceptable.  But let me take a moment and speak up in the topic where my experience and knowledge take hold.

My second biggest issue with your post is that it was approximately five seconds (Honestly, probably closer to four, but whatever) between your character taking his stance, and when my attack should have landed.  Your opening line is this.

As the Genin stood still, motionless, waiting for his opponent he wondered what was up, but soon felt he had found out.

Ok, sure.  Why would you start wondering what is up within three seconds? I I feel I see what you're saying, but Kobachi wondering about your character's appearance is actually irrelevant details or information. I don't mention it made him more alert or anything of the sort.  I'm sorry, is Kobachi under the impression that the fight would start instantly?And yes, considering he gave a bow, which is commonly seen as the initiation of battles, like in boxing the touch of gloves, yes he was ready for the fight to go right into it.  Why is he suddenly so worried about what is happening? hmmm battling an Anbu Captain(unknown to him, but Anbu regardless) as a Genin, why would he not be worried?

My biggest issue (And this is where the scientific knowledge comes into play) is the part of you "sensing" that I was behind you.  The idea that you can tell when someone is watching youthat was just a reference and was not the "sense" used in this., or is behind you, is a myth.  A number of valid studies have been done on it. I checked up on this before I just jammed it in a post. Mixed reviews, but with the mixed reviews that means that it is possible and as a Ninja trained to be alert, then when facing an Anbu Member, even more alert, then while being raised to rely on senses in the wilderness from being not from a clan, but a tribe, think Native Americans. I'm pretty sure, Kobachi can "feel" when someone leaps off a roof to land behind him. Air is moved, body heat, scent, etc, etc. Maybe it hasn't happened to you before, but I myself can sometimes feel when someone is indeed behind me. Not saying yards away, but at a fair distance it's not hard to notice. (Here's a great link on it if you're interested.)  Most of the time, people feeling like they're being watched is because they notice the observer by other means.  Whether it is through a mirror, or see them out of the corner of their eye.  They might not consciously note it, but as the subconscious signs stack up, they eventually take full notice. All unnecessary information seeing as this is not the sense I used, Kobachi did not key onto eyes on him, but your presence being behind him.
That obviously isn't the case here.

Your ninja is a D rank Genin.  D rank is the "Fresh out of the academy" rank Genin also fresh out of the wilderness, where people tend to rely on their senses the most..  Your character is fourteen years old.  My character is twice his age, with considerably more ninja experience.  I'm pretty sure that he's past the point of being detected, while invisible and unable to make detectable noises, by "a sixth sense present in all humans" that is not quantifiable.my link shows that it is indeed possible.  I'd possibly be willing to accept such anticipation from an A rank ANBU.  But a D rank Genin, who has no sensory skills, no enhanced sensesnormal humans have the ability, so with the enhancement of being a ninja I'm pretty sure it's possible, and apparently thinks that three seconds is too long for someone to come down from a roof to fight them? you are cutting out part of the relevant timeline. After bowing(initiation of battle in his mind) Kobachi casually slips out the opening of the room. Then with the road being 7m wide, he casually walks to the middle, being 3.5m's. His opponent isn't in sight by this time or hasn't came down from the roof. More than 3 seconds surely has passed.


Sure, someone might think I'm being sore.  I'm honestly not.  I've got two posts in mind as a response, but I feel that using them is entirely unnecessary, since I'm confident that you can understand entirely where my issues lie.  So, I'd like to ask that you either take the hits, or find a much more plausible explanation for how you managed to avoid the attack.

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>Be me.
>Post scientific study about whether people have a "sixth sense" to detect people behind them/watching them
>Admin responds with a random post from a deaf forum
>MFW someone thinks that random forum posts are scientific evidence



Your history shares none of these details, apart from being from the mountains. Using history that isn't in your app to try and argue extra abilities is frowned upon by most communities. Otherwise, what's the point of requiring longer histories for higher ranking characters? "Well, I know what my history is. Why should anyone else know if I don't tell them myself." Well, for exactly these reasons.


My responses:

In canon (Which you guys seem to LOVE to take from) there are many times when someone is shown standing or pausing for plenty more than three seconds before moving. Usually they're musing over some bologna or another. But in the manga universe, not appearing for a whole minute wouldn't even be surprising.

Your "checking up" is about as valid as me walking down the street and stopping people asking if any of them have ever seen or felt a ghost. It's bullshit. I mean, if you want quotes from random forum boards, here's one.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/science-and-technology/166312-we-sense-person-standing-behind-us.html#post1062059861
Show me a study (With reliable sources and such, not a fucking forum post) that consistently shows that you can detect someone behind you, without visual or audible cues. You're in a city that has been burning to the ground, (And actually, if we're using the fact that technically the fight between the two Kages has started, and I've apparently been watching it, according to theirs, it is raining now) and you're going to say that my body, covered in clothing, is radiating enough heat for you to detect? Or that the air is so incredibly still that I'm going to give off enough movement in it that you can detect that? As a ninja who has been trained to move in as undetectable a manner as possible?

You're giving a D rank ninja FAR more credit than is due. Again, if he were an A rank, or an S rank, especially if they had sensory (Or if somewhere in their history it addressed them having heightened senses for some reason) I'd find it believable. So I'm still waiting for a truly valid reason.

As for timing, I'm referring to three seconds from him taking his stance. Which, again, in manga time is no time at all, if you're using canon as reference.



My request remains the same. If you want to bring in another mod to review this, then I'm happy to let them take over. But since all you've done is said "Hocus pocus, I sensed your presence, because a forum for deaf people said I could" and not given any REAL reasons for why you can detect him... Well, forgive me if I don't let this one just rest.